We were introduced to Adam Krefting, owner of CushCore, by Mike Ferrentino from Bike Magazine. We met Mike on a dirt bike ride a few months ago and he thought it would be good for us to take a look at Adam’s product, the CushCore Tire Suspension System. CushCore, an innovative foam insert for tubeless mountain bike tires, is a product Adam designed to reduce pinch flats, decrease rolling resistance, and provide tire sidewall support. We exchanged emails with Adam and received a pair of inserts for our bike. We ended up installing the inserts prior to the Downieville Classic XC race. This is an awesome course and has a ton of rocks, drops, along with a 15-mile rowdy descent into town. The descent has a lot of famous trails long ridden on the Downieville Downhill and XC classic. We had comparison data from Downieville from prior months of testing. At the last minute, we threw on our system and decided to grab data from the race.
A couple of weeks after the race, we analyzed the before and after data. We threw away the data from the long climb to the top and decided to compare telemetry from the top of the baby head descent all the way to town. This is about one hour of sustained rocky downhill with a couple of logging road reprieves between the third and first Divide trail sections, a great section of trail for an A/B comparison. A substantial difference could be felt on the bike before/after CC inserts, so we knew something was happening but didn’t quite know without analyzing the data.
The results were startling. We track a lot of metrics with our system, vibration, position, velocities, etc. We slice and dice the data several different ways so you get a complete view of the ride. The first thing that grabbed our attention was the fork up and down movement decreased by 15%. This means that for the same run without the CushCore, the fork was doing more work.
The second thing to note is that for the same trail, the overall vibration was reduced by 10%. When we described this to Adam, we said to think of it as taking 10% less punches in a fight. We also tracked compression and rebound strokes in different stroke range buckets. What we discovered is that in every stroke range, the number of compression strokes were reduced, in some cases by 50%! Lastly, the top compression speed we noted was also reduced by 15%.
Besides feeling a difference, we quantified some big changes. We shared this data to Adam, he was really interested. We decided we needed to repeat the test with more riders to see if we had a repeatable hypothesis. So we repeated the test with several riders and we saw the same results across different bikes. We didn’t want to skew the results further by modifying anything related to tire pressure, suspension preload, sag, tokens, or clicker settings. Our travel time down the mountain only changed by 6 seconds for a 1 hour descent. The simple conclusion is that with CushCore, you increase your effective travel by 10 to 15%. This is significant. In essence, you will have an additional suspension margin which means you should be able to push your bike harder to to get an equivalent “max speed” feel on the bike.
We are excited to work with CushCore. It was another demonstration of the enormous work we put into our hardware and software. We were able to turn this data analysis around quickly because we had already done the work building the system. All we did was click a button and compare the results from the different runs and riders. For Adam, it was the first time the benefits of his ingenious product were quantified with hard data.
We plan to do more testing with Adam. Adam also owns KreftMoto, a leading KTM suspension tuner. We will be putting their suspension modifications to the test in the coming months. Stay tuned for updates!
4 comments
Robert Przykucki
Hi Rainer,
Cushcore is definitely not just a puncture resistant or a device to protect your rim. It does both of those, but also provides additional suspension damping. I do agree with fox that you want to tune your bike for max performance at speed. The testing we did with CC was with myself and a couple of buddies, local fast guys, but not world cup racers by any means. I would run them both in front and rear. We didn’t gather data on the rear, only front. But I would expect similar results. Sorry for the late reply.
Rob
Hi Rainer,
Cushcore is definitely not just a puncture resistant or a device to protect your rim. It does both of those, but also provides additional suspension damping. I do agree with fox that you want to tune your bike for max performance at speed. The testing we did with CC was with myself and a couple of buddies, local fast guys, but not world cup racers by any means. I would run them both in front and rear. We didn’t gather data on the rear, only front. But I would expect similar results. Sorry for the late reply.
Rob
Rainer
Hi Rob, is this for both front and rear? Often when I see pro racers interviews about bike setups, they state using a CC here and there for puncture resistence, usually in the rear. Should you actually be running CC in front and rear to keep bike in balance nd profit from it the most? Also, does this 15% reduction insight also apply to mortal hobby shredders or is it something that is really only for top level racing spped? Because if you watch the fox dialed series, it suggests that you set your bike up to top speed. Honestly, this is all showing the two worlds that co-exist in mtb (or any other sport) between non pro and pro. The gap is huge and in many interviews you can hear Greg Minaar saying that they (WC pros) are not on stock suspension anyway. Cant help but feeling fooled in a way, even though its kind of obvious that a real top racer will get exceptional supprt. Especially since you also say that most riders dont ride enough and I agree on that. How many days does an average rider get in a season on a bike, how many days back to back, how many with weeks in between and in alpine teritory vs local forrest trails etc. Sorry, got a bit long now, and I hope my point comes accros? Have a great weekend! Greetings from Germany
Hi Rob, is this for both front and rear? Often when I see pro racers interviews about bike setups, they state using a CC here and there for puncture resistence, usually in the rear. Should you actually be running CC in front and rear to keep bike in balance nd profit from it the most? Also, does this 15% reduction insight also apply to mortal hobby shredders or is it something that is really only for top level racing spped? Because if you watch the fox dialed series, it suggests that you set your bike up to top speed. Honestly, this is all showing the two worlds that co-exist in mtb (or any other sport) between non pro and pro. The gap is huge and in many interviews you can hear Greg Minaar saying that they (WC pros) are not on stock suspension anyway. Cant help but feeling fooled in a way, even though its kind of obvious that a real top racer will get exceptional supprt. Especially since you also say that most riders dont ride enough and I agree on that. How many days does an average rider get in a season on a bike, how many days back to back, how many with weeks in between and in alpine teritory vs local forrest trails etc. Sorry, got a bit long now, and I hope my point comes accros? Have a great weekend! Greetings from Germany
Robert Przykucki
Hi Jerry,
The CC benefits don’t change fundamentals of bike tuning and you can’t tune out the benefit of the tire inserts. In reality, it just looks like you are riding the bike slower. The balance will still be the same, but you’ll notice on compression strokes that there are just fewer of them and you have less overall vibration. We looked at this for a long time and concluded that the CC inserts really don’t affect rebound at all. But for compression and total up/down movement, it’s a win.
Rob
Hi Jerry,
The CC benefits don’t change fundamentals of bike tuning and you can’t tune out the benefit of the tire inserts. In reality, it just looks like you are riding the bike slower. The balance will still be the same, but you’ll notice on compression strokes that there are just fewer of them and you have less overall vibration. We looked at this for a long time and concluded that the CC inserts really don’t affect rebound at all. But for compression and total up/down movement, it’s a win.
Rob
Jerry Spallone
If you were to tune a bike for the first time, having cushcore already installed, would you unknowingly tune the benefits of CC out?
If yes, does it make sense to tune the bike before installing CC
or
with all of your testing, knowing ahead of time the CC is installed, can you make the proper % adjustments to retain the CC benefits
or
am I over thinking it?
If you were to tune a bike for the first time, having cushcore already installed, would you unknowingly tune the benefits of CC out?
If yes, does it make sense to tune the bike before installing CC
or
with all of your testing, knowing ahead of time the CC is installed, can you make the proper % adjustments to retain the CC benefits
or
am I over thinking it?